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jJ5oIJ
No.226
>Wears animal skin
>Uses an axe
>Kills kshatriya kings
>Even killed his mother , extremely sacrilegious in Vedic society
>Imp in Parshuram Kshtera, in South West of Coromandel coast, a very late addition to hindu society.
Was he a Tribal warrior , whogot adopted into Brahminical Culture mitro?
PBH7CM
No.227
>>226(OP)
I think he's just an archetypical cope to try to wrestle some power back from Kshatriyas by justifying some manner of legitimacy for Brahmins while also trying to discredit the legitimacy of Kshatriyas.
It's a pattern we see in a lot of societies where the priestly class attempts to usurp power from a knightly class, and sometimes succeeds.
This largely becomes irrelevant in the long run due to presence of steppe nomads bringing about the next Assabiyah/Dynastic cycle, and becoming the next ruling class, until they get fully absorbed and integrated.
RsIRH+
No.228
>>227
Ignoring the metaphorical interpretations here for ke cause I do not believe any story is just invented. There are usually real figures involved in the events. Tell me what do you think of my tribal theory?
PBH7CM
No.229
>>228
Well, in the first place, how do you define tribal?
Usually, they are people who do not have sustained agriculture and sedentary lifestyle.
They might be nomadic or semi Nomadic.
Are we talking about not adhering to the mainstream society? I guess that's also an element.
It's plausible but then, it fits the pattern, just with castist overtones.
FCwV3J
No.230
>>226(OP)
>extremely sacrilegious in Vedic society
abbe (edi) ye purano wala shiv hai, ye koyi vedic diety nahi hai
RsIRH+
No.231
>>230
Ese chutiyo ko bhi entry mil jati is forum me kya ho bolu
RsIRH+
No.232
>>229
Yeah I think he was a figure from a Tribal or Adivasi tribe or maybe even a Brahman who was part of tribal culture (note lot of Brahman had their settler colonies all over forests of India) . Kinda like someone who lives in forests and relies on hunting gathering or semi agriculture
8vR8XB
No.233
RsIRH+
No.234
>>233
Where is the disrespect in this retard?
HeaCZH
No.235
>>227
> I think he's just an archetypical cope to try to wrestle some power back from Kshatriyas by justifying some manner of legitimacy for Brahmins while also trying to discredit the legitimacy of Kshatriyas
Incredible kshitriya cope, kek’d
p1hGv0
No.288
>>226(OP)
one jeet said something about usurping power ( i agree ) and shit reduces all the vedic literature into a political propaganda which is inherently a truth but not always the reason behind
i personally think of him as a subtle critique regarding the vague nature of (indian) system given his dialogues in the canon, his character inception might be a political way to integrate Kshatriyas way of life into the brahmanical way by appropriating it since we could see the rise of brahmin empires as well despite all his characteristics indicating he might not be the ortho brahmin in the first place.
bamans werent good in anything except being a toptier wordcels
tR7h7M
No.289
>>226(OP)
I dont think he even existed, maybe appropriation might have happened
tR7h7M
No.291
>>235
kek yeah, it seems like a cope, since almost all societies valued their priestly and scholar classes
Cpi3D8
No.354
>>227
Societally and politically speaking I agree your statement. Scripturally i think that was its own thing entirely.
>>230
>OP never claims he is a Vedic Deity
>Retard proceeds to brain fart here
Mods, please ban the inbreds who don't have basic reading comprehension. Get rid of them.
>>232
I feel like one issue here is, using nomadic and tribal interchangeably. Tribe is a rather broad classification of people who follow a certain lifestyle. Nomad is one of those said lifestyle.
We don't know if Brahman, or Adi Nivasi were both living relatively same life style. Thus the only thing dividing both communities would be samskara practices as well as bloodline.
Perhaps Brahmans having lived alongside the Tribes for so long simply adapted to a lot of their practices over time. This is strictly a guess in this case.
>>235
I don't think that's entirely cope despite being a brahman. Parshurama himself was probably a divine being, but their is nothing stopping all the bunch of NW "hai ravan, jai ravan" retards from having tried to kang on Kshatriya like morons in past.
>>290
I doubt all that is true given he was a prominent figure in epic of Mahabharata as well. The way his image has been radicalised is definitely quite unfortunate. However periodic change is usually expected in all community, the Brahman Varna community being no exception.
Cpi3D8
No.355
>>288
>bamans werent good in anything except being a toptier wordcels
Can't disagree with all of it, we are pretty good at word celling.
CN4M0C
No.376
>>354
The main point im interested here is his axe and his slaying his own mother. The axe doesn't feature prominently in any arya stories and killing the mother? Good luck with finding tht. Where do we find an axe tho? In indus valley. That's pretty fascinating. Assuming that parshuram is also in mahabharat , it is possible he was a warrior king/sage from ivc, who was responsible for killing a lot of arya kshatriyas. But other Arya's decided to ally with him, and asked him to retire which may explain why he didn't fifjt in the war.
However his conflict and later stalemate with Bhishma if the House of Kuru leniage might represent an alliance of his kingdom with the kurus.
Another parshuram also features in Ramayan. And we know tht rama , janaka, dashrath, all are mentioned in right ved, with an aryan settlement as far as Saryu. In the story Rama humbles Parshuram, which may show a real conflict where his kingdom was defeated by the Royal House of Ikshavaku's jewel, but ended in a treaty of alliance that led to tribute or annexation of his kingdom and then sm friendship. Just a hunch but interesting to see it like this.
CN4M0C
No.377
>>376
Rig veda*
ExTrej
No.588
>>376
>The main point im interested here is his axe and his slaying his own mother. The axe doesn't feature prominently in any arya stories
Interesting point, i must look at if their were any predating stories that mention axe as a weapon at any point in scriptures. However philosophicaly I think axe here is supposed to be a took to just chop woods. The fact it got used as a weapon showed martialisation of a priestly class in the desperate attempt to defend ot avenge itself.
>and killing the mother?
I think this is strongly dependant on context, as this story shows how strongly lord parshurama took the words of his father. He likely neither enjoyed that nor was fond of what he did, but he couldn't bring himself to question the words of his father's.
In most katha vachan that I grew up hearing, not something I read myself, his father is always portrayed as a very gentle person who is not fond of conflict. I can see the idea of how the son can grow up more radicalised in a counter measure and deterent to protect his very much docile and pacifist parents.
/DQmay
No.1601
>>226(OP)
Can he be the angra manyu of the zoroastrians? Or am i wrong
K9Akfe
No.1602
>>226(OP)
He is just a we wuzz warrior version of Brahmins
gUlHqi
No.1605
>>226(OP)
Brahmins are all capable of all duties of the lower (indian)s.
That's what makes them brahmins.
There is a reason why Brahmins are at the top and not Kshatriyas.
People who try to cope with "archetypes" and Western nonsense don't understand this.
eZsEbo
No.1607
>>1601
Give reason.
eZsEbo
No.1608
>>1602
Don't bring shitty takes here
eZsEbo
No.1609
>>1605
Brahmin power.
But seriously , this is accurate to every (indian) which kinda did everything in history despite what bhims will say
1R9BJd
No.1610
>>1601
No, angra manyu is clearly one of daevas. Since Ahuran himself is Varuna according to their own scriptures.
1R9BJd
No.1611
>>1605
Essentially yes. Every Varna did everything they need to based on need, unless it was prohibited to them. For instance OP won't be allowed in a few temples but he is not prohibited from ever fighting in a war, building legacy or fortune.
/DQmay
No.1626
>>1610
Oh no I meant the arhiman of end times
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