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7yRVKd
No.272
Where should I start?
https://shellzine.net/ (slightly deviates into blog territory)
Mujhe bhach zine banane ka hai. From all the noise and psyops and other bullshit, let's have a shot at immortalising at least what we think today. Tum log bataao, and shuru karte hain
2ACSKA
No.273
>>272(OP)
hosea3212@proton.me
Hit me up on this for any submissions/anything else that you'd actually have to privately hit me up for.
What we currently need is 1) a name, 2) some basic principles we can agree on like visual vs text vs both, 3) people who can draw/would be willing to help in typesetting.
Entries can be in any language.
4ARn+m
No.372
>>272(OP)
I was thinking about the origin of words and it seems to me, that for atleast animate objects(living beings) their designations arrived from the noises they made(perhaps prior to words we used symbols, which marks the fact that we could distinguish and reproduce those features different from ourselves and ourselves, and in a mute world, the first form of language i.e. that which is not the animalistic growling and speaking of which, the mode of communication present in animals is mostly this. It cannot be called a language, because well, it is wholly uncharacteristic of languages as we understand them; It lacks the sophistication associated with language as most of this primitive type of communication is simply the natural noises -- growls and snarls, and all that we attribute to an emotional response-- and bodily responses (body language). A deer-captain might signify his herd of an approaching predator by simply showing cognisance of the predator by his bodily responses. Languages are far more, intentional in this aspect. More on sign language, one of its aspects is in cave paintings, which are more to do with recounting events (I'm not gonna lay much discourse on writing systems but they've evolved from this process of reproducing forms on any suitable canvas. This is atleast true for the chinese writing style and the egyptians.). But I imagine that, whilst on hunts, when a significant danger was spotted(say, a predator), humans relayed this to their hunting mates by a combination of making the noise associated with the predator and striking a pose unique to them, i.e. by mimicry. This doesn't clash with my earlier assumption that words for them arrived from the noises attributed to them, it was probably how these words were pronounced, but in writing it wholly came from the object's features). At some point we had to drop the 'mimic' act, since our hands proved to be insufficient to describe everything, and were left with simply noises and their signs(written words), which seems to be where we are today.
I haven't made much of an effort to make this seem coherent as its written on a whim. I'm not a very good writer(I mostly write to get my thoughts out, not for others to understand) and I have very little knowledge of linguistics and even littler of prehistory. But it seems to me, if you were to communicate with someone whose language you don't know and has no relation to your own(say an isolated amazonian tribe), you would use your hands and primitive noises to communicate with them. Formatting is a bit of a clusterfuck so simply read in order. I don't expect this to be right in whole(or right at all), but its a nice thought.
XV9Vj9
No.373
can you elaborate what are you trying to do with what exactly?
FXdvlL
No.374
>>373
>What are you trying to do?
I want to make a magazine, what it contains is up to us.
>>372
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Sign_Language
Read up on it, it might interest you. The summary would be that humans create fully grammatical systems from scratch, human language doesn't appear to come from anything prior or more primitive. Perhaps archaic humans/other hominids communicate in grunts, but bunch together a few humans who have no language, and they'll create a fully grammatical language. We are biologically hardwired for language is the deal, perhaps the biological hardwiring evolved from something prior, but once you have a human, you'll have a fully sophisticated language in a single generation.
4ARn+m
No.376
>>374
Chomksy agrees with you, the jury is still out. The development of language likely began when humans started differentiating themselves from 'animal' -- what I mean by this is, thinking of themselves to be separate from the animal kingdom as a whole, and think themselves to be 'human'. The recognition of the self as subject. After this, probably the simple mode of communication associated with animals was evolved into 'language'. (This likely happened around 70k years ago)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_human_intelligence]
4ARn+m
No.377
>>376
I don't know where I got 70k years from, but I have a vague inkling about reading about a drastic increase in 'intelligence' a long time ago.
zncPTH
No.378
>>374
I was randomly reading about some island in South America...that made me wonder about all those people from India during british rule went to those places.
If you want something about people, maybe trace about various groups of indians who became part of various countries. We don't really have much info on it.
Can use google maps, street view, british had good data so if you can find them it would be fun...
something like a thread away from india and towards.
zncPTH
No.380
Bhach story book, just random things an anon would want to be left about him. They can include stories, images, links whatever...
Very easy to do so...
You can do yearly version of it 
if we survive another year 2nd version if not you had something.
4ARn+m
No.381
>>379
kek yaar I've never read it. I always took it to be for those 'wide as the sea, deep as a puddle' dude. Something that you read and feel smarter for it, when there's not really any substance. I guess it somehow rubbed off on me.
KbuSOv
No.382
>>376
You're mixing up the development of the human capacity of language with the development of human language. Human language didn't develop, but the "human" capacity for language did, which can be reduced to simple natural selection.
The 70k thing might be about the cognitive revolution, which I also think is from Sapiens (and no, I haven't read it myself).
>>380
Fun idea, can have a section about that. It'd be great if you took the time and sent a story on the mail I linked upar. Just make sure you're punctuating everything correctly, and please do not use AI.
Also, are we using Devanagari for the Hindi bits or should we settle on some kind of standard Roman like IAST?
KbuSOv
No.384
>>378
Was screwing around in Goa and met this one guy from Trini. He is from a (bch) family and was telling me how his family went through typical (bch) shit even that far out. They raised pigs, lived in squalor and most other Hindus didn't really want to associate with them. Guy moved to America, got his money up, and was considering settling in India to set up some kind of software firm in I think Kerala.
>We don't really have much info on it
What makes you say so?
Anyway, here's some Surinamese Bhojpuri music
4ARn+m
No.385
>>382
>You're mixing up the development of the human capacity of language with the development of human language.
I was writing about the way in which language developed, human capacity I chalked upto this >>376 i.e. the phase of differentiating ourselves from animal, which most probably is evolution.
KbuSOv
No.386
>>385
I'd like to think that the human sense of self is a consequence rather than a cause for our language abilities. The first few mutations for prosocial behaviours primed us for more complex communication. Once the necessary mutations to wire us for full speech came around and spread a little around the population, it's imperative that the mute ones had to die off. Rinse and repeat, till you get our level of communication.
As for differentiating ourselves from (other) animals, that seems to be present in at least some capacity in every species that 1) isn't habitually cannibalistic 2) knows who to fuck and who not to fuck (we can generally exclude dysgenic outlier traits like bestiality). I don't think language follows from the human consciousness of what is and isn't a human.
4ARn+m
No.387
>>386
>As for differentiating ourselves from (other) animals
What I meant by that was, seeing ourselves above animal(even though we are animal), and consequently, seeing animal as object(or animals as not separate being equal to us but animal). As something lacking the same consciousness that we do.
Though I believe this and developing language to be the consequence of the same cause. With the developing of language succeeding it. I don't suppose differentiation led to language but the cause that caused differentiation. I don't know, I guess I'll have to get more information about this.
FXdvlL
No.389
>>387
There's also an argument to be made for language itself being cause for us seeing ourselves as above animal (i.e. The Notion), rather than language and The Notion following from a common cause. We're splitting hairs on something from our best guess at a first principle. All speculation
(let's not forget the topic of working on a magazine)
Are you any good at drawing?
4ARn+m
No.393
>>389
thats what I did here>>376 but I wasn't quite convinced
>>389
you could include this in your zine kek
>Are you any good at drawing?
I don't know ananmas i'm decent at drawing /jaggus/ but neither do I want to nor do I put much effort into them. There must be some canva using anons on bhach.
There isn't enough creative works here to match with lainzine but we can try to get some material.
C9n5sO
No.395
>>389
On the topic of zines, aren't you concerned that the material might be of a subpar quality or just, generic? From what I've seen anons are just really in the process of developing their ideas and there might be nothing to write home about.
There's also the problem of the community. Some really vile and unimaginative (bch)s reside here who simply are not capable of collaboration.
I used to think there was a certain charm to this place but it really is just a carry-over of the InCh cancer. What compels you to make a zine for this shithole?
4ARn+m
No.396
>>395
> Some really vile and unimaginative (bch)s reside here who simply are not capable of collaboration.
The nigggers of /bhach/ are nonetheless crucial for its functioning; any machine requires its own grease.
NLy5E5
No.397
>>395
>subpar quality
Works with me.
>generic
We'll prune suggestions. I want to keep quality control decently minimal, with a format in some sense similar to EXITPROCESS. The only things I think are no-go's are anything obviously AI-generated or the topics that Indian media discusses. This would be heendu-musleem issues, women bad, (indian) and language issues (and the like) UNLESS it's "transformative," i.e. ranks high on Bloom's taxonomy. Instead of writing about how much Steppe blood (jai bhim) has, a better topic could be how Proto-Indo-European actually gained synthetic features (more grammatical genders, more cases) than when it started out (i.e. when Anatolian separated), which is unusual. Or maybe give an introduction to Ramanuja's philosophy using your own symbols. Just something a little detached from the daily news/Twitter cycle. Better than either of these would be to send in a poem, a story, or some daily observation that you built up and put into words. Basically any original thought works.
>What compels you?
People here write enough to fill a magazine every day, may as well use that time to write something a little more intentional. That and the fact that this site is imo past its lowest point. Most other boards had the quality of /b/ posts for the last year or two, or would get hijacked by /b/hangis. I haven't seen these many coherent sentences on here since 3.0. Also, anonymity keeps vanity writers away, and most contemporary Indian literature except for the old-school Hindi/Marathi communist circles is vanity literature.
We can take it slow, but I need a few submissions on the mail (hosea3212@proton.me) to get started. I'll make them public after the first 5 or so submissions (one of mine included).
CLhngD
No.1108
>>272(OP)
Any interest for this project?
OBFSeD
No.1109
is this related to Publick Grievances / Bharatchan Public Abstract / Kasperia?
OBFSeD
No.1110
>>272(OP)
see also Fren-Z magazine from the Frens Library of the Frenschan imageboard
kwsg5u
No.1112
>>272(OP)
Are you interested in an article on free will? Here is the skeleton of how the article would go:
First let us understand the current materialistic paradigm: There are 2 layers: A layer A and a layer B
Layer A: This is the causal chain, one event acts as a cause for another and so on and so forth; It is deterministic
Layer B: This is the 'randomness' substrate, qauntum physics tells us that the universe at a very small scale is probabilistic. It is a probabilistic layer.
According to this framework, if accepted as true, the logical conclusion is that the universe is deterministic on a macro scale; Despite layer B being probabilistic, it can be statistically understood and hence isn't random at the macro-level. Since the universe is determininistic on a macro-scale this implies that free will, shouldn't exist.
Now let's talk about my proposed mechanism for how free will works. If a supposed free will did exist, the mechanism CANNOT exist at layer A, since layer A is a causal chain; Cause A leads to event B, Event B leads to event C and so on and so forth. However, let's look at Layer B. This is where things get interesting.
Layer B is probabilistic. However, if the probabilities are tweaked (somehow), then this will lead to a different outcome, which then affects layer A and leads to a different end result. I feel free will operates by external entities (soul, spirits, demons, whatever the fuck you wanna call it) altering the probabilities of layer B which then results in a different causal chain, and end result in layer A. This principle allows anything which has a layer A and layer B in a certain configuration (I don't know what, but this is just my speculation) to be inhabited by an entity be it a soul, demon or whatever. The corrolary is that just because something has a layer A and B in that specific configuration doesn't neccesitate that that thing is inhabited. Thus there are soulless humans; hylics as the gnostics call them.
kwsg5u
No.1113
>>1112
lmk if this interests you, will expand on it if yes.
CLhngD
No.1117
>>1109
I don't know what any of those things are. Share something.
>>1110
Incredible sovl
>>1113
This basically is statistical mechanics (or information theory, depending on how you cut it). Layer B specifies microstates, the entropy of a system being the log of the number of microstates, layer A is your macro property. "Altering probabilities" of layer B does not result in a different causal chain, it results in a large number of new causal chains.
I had this idea when I was younger that karma operates on (what you call) layer A, and the need for a guru/deity/Jesus intervening is a moment of mangling those layer B probabilities. I personally don't think that way anymore, i.e. I believe that souls, spirits, demons, gods are ontologically separate from matter. Same idea as consciousness is not an aggregate of computations. Maybe for the hylic it is, but my consciousness is ontologically separate from quantum statistical mechanics. The determinism that exists in the physical world is then not coupled to human agency, and by virtue of the human "mind" existing the world is inherently not deterministic, even on a macro scale.
Regardless yes, you could write out an article on this, it is a forever interesting topic. If you have an idea of what visuals you're thinking of, drop that too. Please no AI, if you don't have a reference and can't do graphics, send a paper sketch, me or a friend (or someone here who would be interested) will handmake the visuals. Happy Republic Day.
(also hosea3212@proton.me is still up for full entries)
CLhngD
No.1118
>>385
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10986
(if you don't want to watch a video)
Birds have grammatical language. I don't know what to make of it wrt what you were saying though.
OBFSeD
No.1119
>>1117
Some anon is apparently working on Publick Grievances / Bharatchan Public Abstract / Kasperia; it's a zine, you should collab with him.
CLhngD
No.1120
>>1119
Where do I find him? I can only find an old thread on /b/.
Why the fuck would someone try to mobilise a project on /b/?
D8Am6J
No.1121
>>273
You are the same prof who sent me BEC what you upto these days clown i drafted the mail i wrote back your paper was unhelpful
I dont need BEC paper I have novel state to study that explodes BEC meta stable state back to different excited
CLhngD
No.1122
D8Am6J
No.1123
>>1122
Imagine you push the atom to bec and then it does come back to same excited form instead goes to a different excited state
Transition state Partial States Overlapping State
different state of atoms&x2F;matter from the initial
>it can
D8Am6J
No.1124
>>1122
My replies cutoff cause i m banned
i cannot post picrel
How do i explain
CLhngD
No.1125
>>1124
Just mail me.
kFPtEf
No.1126
>>1120
Hahahaaha sorry man I just love /b/
kwsg5u
No.1127
>>1119
I don't want my article included if the entire thing is kasperia themed. If the kasperia thing is a separate article within the zine, then that's okay. Also, no hate btw, interesting worldbuilding project.
kwsg5u
No.1128
>>1117
>karma
I still don't know wether or not karma is real. But what I know is karma definetly isn't as simple as bad action -> bad consequence, good action -> good consequence.
>visuals
No idea honestly. Probably just a text only article
RufHEg
No.1129
>language evolution
new evolved languages are differently spoken than written we bypass the logical flaw
words and alphabets shape imagination
rather than simple strokes many tried giving meaning but not every stroke is alphabet utterable
RufHEg
No.1130
>cont
here&x27;s what i read and found out about language and intelligence
they always communicated but spontanously one cannot write thousand without writing first alphabet so its always the first alphabet you chose to put value in rest of rules
RufHEg
No.1131
>cont
rest of rules are connected with first letter if lets say sankrit stated first word uttered in completion so you technically shouldnt be able to break it apart but then you say language can break it even
/yKeQa
No.1132
>>272(OP)
Bump.
I prefer 80 characters , UTF 8 , Pure text
It is easy to reproduce and share, low in size. Figures can be converted to ASCII too. We can have colored text.
Images allowed only if original creations of board browsers.
CLhngD
No.1133
>>1128
Okay.
>>1132
We could issue a plaintext/markdown edition, alongside a main PDF. I do want it to look pretty. I find a magazine without colour and pictures a little joyless. The images imperatively will be creations of the board, like everything else.
>>1119
>>1127
>>1126
Can I see more of Kasperia? I'm coming back to this site after six months, so I don't know what that is.
/yKeQa
No.1134
>>1133
PDF generated from Markdown is fine. Markdown itself is not pretty to look at. I am fine with text only articles like Phrack.
Regarding pictures, they are excellent when extremely relevant and original creations.
/yKeQa
No.1135
>>1119
It looks kiddish to be honest. But it matches the tone well. I love Jaggus. Instead of Xmas jaggu, id like something else. Winter here is different from Xmas faggotry imo.
NWWEsP
No.1138
>>1137
I agree. I can just open this board for word slop, it’s not a magazine anymore.
>>1135
I fuck heavy with the childish look, but we can do something more muted like lainzine. And yes, Indian seasons are unique and very visual, no need for NW European winter.
We can also ditch the idea of visual consistency. Visual consistency is very un-Indian. Let the aesthetics change wildly every page.
/yKeQa
No.1140
>>1138
>We can also ditch the idea of visual consistency. Visual consistency is very un-Indian. Let the aesthetics change wildly every page
Couldn't agree more
>>4346
Nominating this for submission. Though we do need a good editor.
<but we can do something more muted like lainzine
No need to mute it. Indian quality is in your face and that is fine. But it should be our own aesthetic. Not western. That is all.
/yKeQa
No.1141
>>1139
What is this site ?
D2V3ZB
No.1142
>>1140
You&x27;re trying to post something from an another board I think
L812Qi
No.1143
>>1142
Broatul
OBFSeD
No.1144
>>1142
I think he's referring >>>/gen/4346 jain/baniya admin also maintains a personal blogging website https://uttaraayan.in/
/yKeQa
No.1145
/yKeQa
No.1149
CLhngD
No.1150
>>1149
Awful presentation for what's pretty decent content.
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